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		<title>By: Video Vision</title>
		<link>http://thegolddiggers.wordpress.com/2007/09/21/whose-show-is-it-anyway/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Video Vision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Mark, we could certainly venture a guess as to one reason why complete, uncut episodes of Carol Burnett's series have never been released on DVD — DESPITE the fact that she claims to own them — and that reason is the same one that's kept full season sets of The Dean Martin Show and virtually every variety show off the market: The music clearances.

They're expensive, and tough — sometimes impossible — to negotiate.

Episodes of Carol's show had less music, on average, than Dean's, but still enough to cause headaches.

Besides, Carol's statements to the contrary notwithstanding, she may not actually own ALL of the rights to her series.  It, like so many others, was produced in association with the network that originally aired it — in the case of her show, of course, that was CBS.

Now it's possible that she bought out CBS' stake at some point, but as we can see from the example of Dean's show, these issues of who owns what in the jungle of TV rights are not always as obvious as they may at first seem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Mark, we could certainly venture a guess as to one reason why complete, uncut episodes of Carol Burnett&#8217;s series have never been released on DVD — DESPITE the fact that she claims to own them — and that reason is the same one that&#8217;s kept full season sets of The Dean Martin Show and virtually every variety show off the market: The music clearances.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re expensive, and tough — sometimes impossible — to negotiate.</p>
<p>Episodes of Carol&#8217;s show had less music, on average, than Dean&#8217;s, but still enough to cause headaches.</p>
<p>Besides, Carol&#8217;s statements to the contrary notwithstanding, she may not actually own ALL of the rights to her series.  It, like so many others, was produced in association with the network that originally aired it — in the case of her show, of course, that was CBS.</p>
<p>Now it&#8217;s possible that she bought out CBS&#8217; stake at some point, but as we can see from the example of Dean&#8217;s show, these issues of who owns what in the jungle of TV rights are not always as obvious as they may at first seem.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://thegolddiggers.wordpress.com/2007/09/21/whose-show-is-it-anyway/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only the Dean Martin Show, but also the Carol Burnett Show was released in a best of collection by Guthy Renker.  Why the entire Burnett Show is not available is a mystery to me as Ms. Burnett personally owns all of her shows (She said this at a public performace Q&#38;A a few years ago, that I attended)  I would love to see those shows in their entirety, especially the first five years, which have never even been syndicated as half hour cuts.  How can we make this happen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only the Dean Martin Show, but also the Carol Burnett Show was released in a best of collection by Guthy Renker.  Why the entire Burnett Show is not available is a mystery to me as Ms. Burnett personally owns all of her shows (She said this at a public performace Q&amp;A a few years ago, that I attended)  I would love to see those shows in their entirety, especially the first five years, which have never even been syndicated as half hour cuts.  How can we make this happen?</p>
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		<title>By: Video Vision</title>
		<link>http://thegolddiggers.wordpress.com/2007/09/21/whose-show-is-it-anyway/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Video Vision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Patrick, for telling us about the actual copyright date on the first season episodes of the original Star Trek.  We appreciate your diligence.

Paul had said 1977; we had read elsewhere that it was 1979; you looked at the actual date and discovered that the truth falls (as it so often does) exactly in the middle.  

Do you suppose that there might be a lesson here for the parties to this lawsuit…?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Patrick, for telling us about the actual copyright date on the first season episodes of the original Star Trek.  We appreciate your diligence.</p>
<p>Paul had said 1977; we had read elsewhere that it was 1979; you looked at the actual date and discovered that the truth falls (as it so often does) exactly in the middle.  </p>
<p>Do you suppose that there might be a lesson here for the parties to this lawsuit…?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Waters</title>
		<link>http://thegolddiggers.wordpress.com/2007/09/21/whose-show-is-it-anyway/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for making me aware of the legal morass that hinders "The Dean Martin Show" from being seen now, either on TV or video. The show should be seen again, for generations to come. It's relaxing entertainment, the likes of which we'll probably never see again. Dean was the master of cool, and he'd absolutely hate all this nonsense.

By the way, the current prints of the first season of "Star Trek" that now air on TV Land bear a 1978 copyright date. I believe Paramount is the copyright holder. The old "Paramount" logo has been removed from the current TV land prints (and the "Re-mastered" version now in syndication,)  and replaced with that of the current rights holder, CBS-Paramount Television.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for making me aware of the legal morass that hinders &#8220;The Dean Martin Show&#8221; from being seen now, either on TV or video. The show should be seen again, for generations to come. It&#8217;s relaxing entertainment, the likes of which we&#8217;ll probably never see again. Dean was the master of cool, and he&#8217;d absolutely hate all this nonsense.</p>
<p>By the way, the current prints of the first season of &#8220;Star Trek&#8221; that now air on TV Land bear a 1978 copyright date. I believe Paramount is the copyright holder. The old &#8220;Paramount&#8221; logo has been removed from the current TV land prints (and the &#8220;Re-mastered&#8221; version now in syndication,)  and replaced with that of the current rights holder, CBS-Paramount Television.</p>
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		<title>By: Video Vision</title>
		<link>http://thegolddiggers.wordpress.com/2007/09/21/whose-show-is-it-anyway/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Video Vision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, we have previously come across accounts of the Star Trek copyright case that essentially jibe with your telling of it here, in terms of attributing the origins of the litigation to a dispute over film prints, rather than videocassette dubs, of the series.  However, the sources that we've seen taking this line maintain that Paramount re-copyrighted the first-season episodes in 1979, rather than 1977 as you state.  We'd be curious to hear from you or anyone else what copyright date is given on current DVD editions of first-year Star Trek episodes.

In any case, while it may well be that rogue film prints were the first justification for the retroactive copyright claim, we can definitively attest to the fact that they were not the last.  Paramount DID, in fact, go after a number of small videocassette suppliers who were selling first-year "Trek" episodes in the late '70s and early '80s (and remember that back then, VHS wasn't the only tape format around — Beta was still very much alive and well).

Each and every one of those video distributors that had chosen to sell first-year Star Trek episodes in the belief that those shows were legally in the public domain were driven out of business by Paramount's legal eagles, and we can say that with certitude because we personally know the principals of one of the companies that went through this ordeal, and as a result, went under.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, we have previously come across accounts of the Star Trek copyright case that essentially jibe with your telling of it here, in terms of attributing the origins of the litigation to a dispute over film prints, rather than videocassette dubs, of the series.  However, the sources that we&#8217;ve seen taking this line maintain that Paramount re-copyrighted the first-season episodes in 1979, rather than 1977 as you state.  We&#8217;d be curious to hear from you or anyone else what copyright date is given on current DVD editions of first-year Star Trek episodes.</p>
<p>In any case, while it may well be that rogue film prints were the first justification for the retroactive copyright claim, we can definitively attest to the fact that they were not the last.  Paramount DID, in fact, go after a number of small videocassette suppliers who were selling first-year &#8220;Trek&#8221; episodes in the late &#8217;70s and early &#8217;80s (and remember that back then, VHS wasn&#8217;t the only tape format around — Beta was still very much alive and well).</p>
<p>Each and every one of those video distributors that had chosen to sell first-year Star Trek episodes in the belief that those shows were legally in the public domain were driven out of business by Paramount&#8217;s legal eagles, and we can say that with certitude because we personally know the principals of one of the companies that went through this ordeal, and as a result, went under.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Mular</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Mular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gang,
I was collecting Super 8 Home Movies in the 1970's (before VHS) &#38; I remember the Star Trek Public Domain incident.  I wanted to make one slight correction to that well written article on the Dean Marton Show Rights.  VHS was not the reason for the copyright filing.  Paramount realized their misfortuned with Star Trek's season 1 copyright when home movie companies started selling Super 8mm home-movie prints of the episodes.  These were duped down from 'borrowed' 16mm TV syndication prints.  Some film rental companies also got ahold of discarded 16mm TV prints and started renting them.  At that time Paramount declared ownership of the music included in the shows as well as character rights &#38; Star Trek trademarked icons as reason for copyright ownership.  The new copyright of 1977 was then placed on all release prints of those shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gang,<br />
I was collecting Super 8 Home Movies in the 1970&#8217;s (before VHS) &amp; I remember the Star Trek Public Domain incident.  I wanted to make one slight correction to that well written article on the Dean Marton Show Rights.  VHS was not the reason for the copyright filing.  Paramount realized their misfortuned with Star Trek&#8217;s season 1 copyright when home movie companies started selling Super 8mm home-movie prints of the episodes.  These were duped down from &#8216;borrowed&#8217; 16mm TV syndication prints.  Some film rental companies also got ahold of discarded 16mm TV prints and started renting them.  At that time Paramount declared ownership of the music included in the shows as well as character rights &amp; Star Trek trademarked icons as reason for copyright ownership.  The new copyright of 1977 was then placed on all release prints of those shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Video Vision</title>
		<link>http://thegolddiggers.wordpress.com/2007/09/21/whose-show-is-it-anyway/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Video Vision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Bernard, for your support, and especially for your championing of Lee Hale.  Any friend of Lee's is a friend of ours.

In the interest of giving all sides a chance to weigh in on the issue, if you take a look at some thoughts expressed by an attorney over in our regular Comments section, you'll see the view given that it's actually standard practice among lawyers for the plaintiffs in a suit to go after anyone and everyone who might have even the smallest interest in the property in contention.

While that doesn't change our opinion —or we're sure, yours either — that Barrump-Bump should be completely absolved, it does at least offer a legal rationale for NBC U's thinking in the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Bernard, for your support, and especially for your championing of Lee Hale.  Any friend of Lee&#8217;s is a friend of ours.</p>
<p>In the interest of giving all sides a chance to weigh in on the issue, if you take a look at some thoughts expressed by an attorney over in our regular Comments section, you&#8217;ll see the view given that it&#8217;s actually standard practice among lawyers for the plaintiffs in a suit to go after anyone and everyone who might have even the smallest interest in the property in contention.</p>
<p>While that doesn&#8217;t change our opinion —or we&#8217;re sure, yours either — that Barrump-Bump should be completely absolved, it does at least offer a legal rationale for NBC U&#8217;s thinking in the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://thegolddiggers.wordpress.com/2007/09/21/whose-show-is-it-anyway/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great article. It touches on every angle of the case that only the most thorough litigation would cover, while concluding that the heart of the matter is and should be the material's reason for being: its entertainment value, especially for a remembering and vanishing generation of fans.

And would big bully NBC please with great haste recognize its monumental blunder in naming Lee Hale's company as a defendant? I'd certainly hate for NBC to have to change the show because they pissed off one of its central contributors.

I recall that in the case of "Batman," a stumbling block added to the Fox and Time Warner tug-of-war (in addition to any rights DC may hold in the series) was that the widow of one one of the show's producers claimed to own a piece of the show too. I hope the issues are resolved with "Batman," as I place it way at the top of my most-wanted DVD list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great article. It touches on every angle of the case that only the most thorough litigation would cover, while concluding that the heart of the matter is and should be the material&#8217;s reason for being: its entertainment value, especially for a remembering and vanishing generation of fans.</p>
<p>And would big bully NBC please with great haste recognize its monumental blunder in naming Lee Hale&#8217;s company as a defendant? I&#8217;d certainly hate for NBC to have to change the show because they pissed off one of its central contributors.</p>
<p>I recall that in the case of &#8220;Batman,&#8221; a stumbling block added to the Fox and Time Warner tug-of-war (in addition to any rights DC may hold in the series) was that the widow of one one of the show&#8217;s producers claimed to own a piece of the show too. I hope the issues are resolved with &#8220;Batman,&#8221; as I place it way at the top of my most-wanted DVD list.</p>
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		<title>By: Video Vision</title>
		<link>http://thegolddiggers.wordpress.com/2007/09/21/whose-show-is-it-anyway/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Video Vision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindsay, we're once again delighted to be graced by your presence and as always, appreciate your support.

After many years of stasis, there are indeed at last some stirrings in the woods, and we hope that they will lead us in the direction where so many of us have for so long wanted to go — on the path toward the availability of ALL episodes of Dean's show and The Golddiggers series in the complete, unedited form in which they were originally shown.

Only then will viewers be properly and fully reminded — or, in the case of younger viewers, become aware for the first time — of the enormous amount of skill and professionalism that went into making those programs; of Dean's charm, ease and command of the audience in the most felicitous environment in which he ever worked; and of the extraordinary talent, presence, and appeal of the most winsome groups of female singer-dancers ever assembled: The Golddiggers and, of course, the beloved sorority to which you belonged, Lindsay, The Dingaling Sisters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindsay, we&#8217;re once again delighted to be graced by your presence and as always, appreciate your support.</p>
<p>After many years of stasis, there are indeed at last some stirrings in the woods, and we hope that they will lead us in the direction where so many of us have for so long wanted to go — on the path toward the availability of ALL episodes of Dean&#8217;s show and The Golddiggers series in the complete, unedited form in which they were originally shown.</p>
<p>Only then will viewers be properly and fully reminded — or, in the case of younger viewers, become aware for the first time — of the enormous amount of skill and professionalism that went into making those programs; of Dean&#8217;s charm, ease and command of the audience in the most felicitous environment in which he ever worked; and of the extraordinary talent, presence, and appeal of the most winsome groups of female singer-dancers ever assembled: The Golddiggers and, of course, the beloved sorority to which you belonged, Lindsay, The Dingaling Sisters.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Bloom Nutter</title>
		<link>http://thegolddiggers.wordpress.com/2007/09/21/whose-show-is-it-anyway/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay Bloom Nutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi to All,
Lindsay Bloom Nutter here with a "KUDOS" to the writer of the explanation and history of The Dean Martin Show ownership issues!! What an education I received!
When I first saw the story posted here, my first reaction was, "What interesting timing" and "Yes! NBC knows, and I mean knows, they can make alot of money releasing all the shows in their entirety!!!"
I feel very positive about all of these developments!
Let's keep the ball rolling and 'Keep the Faith'!
Wishing you all the very best!
Lindsay (The Last Ding-a-ling Sister hired.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi to All,<br />
Lindsay Bloom Nutter here with a &#8220;KUDOS&#8221; to the writer of the explanation and history of The Dean Martin Show ownership issues!! What an education I received!<br />
When I first saw the story posted here, my first reaction was, &#8220;What interesting timing&#8221; and &#8220;Yes! NBC knows, and I mean knows, they can make alot of money releasing all the shows in their entirety!!!&#8221;<br />
I feel very positive about all of these developments!<br />
Let&#8217;s keep the ball rolling and &#8216;Keep the Faith&#8217;!<br />
Wishing you all the very best!<br />
Lindsay (The Last Ding-a-ling Sister hired.)</p>
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